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Bill Wikstrom
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know. I should just shut up about it I suppose. It's one of very few things that I dislike about XTC/Andy (besides the bitterly frustrating whole my-favorite-band-won't-tour thing). And the somewhat recent repackage, reissue, repeat trend.

Cool avatar by the way - Wacky Races!

P.S. What's worse is I know several older comparatively on-the-fence fans who saw them multiple times in 80-81 in New York.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Wikstrom wrote:
I know. I should just shut up about it I suppose. It's one of very few things that I dislike about XTC/Andy (besides the bitterly frustrating whole my-favorite-band-won't-tour thing). And the somewhat recent repackage, reissue, repeat trend.

Cool avatar by the way - Wacky Races!

P.S. What's worse is I know several older comparatively on-the-fence fans who saw them multiple times in 80-81 in New York.


I was just teasing, Bill. You go on mentioning it as much as you like. It's good to have a newcomer to this forum who is posting interesting things about XTC. Some of us feel that we have said all we have to say.

Keep it up.

For what it's worth, I saw XTC (I think) four times between '77 and '81. (Actually, I'm appalling at dates.)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you kidding? You are soo lucky!

Where did you see them?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Wikstrom wrote:
Are you kidding? You are soo lucky!

Where did you see them?


Oh gosh, my memory is terrible. To the best of my recollection, it was twice at the University of Essex, once (and this is the one I'm especially unsure about) at Braintree College, and once at the Ipswich Gaumont.

Back in the late 70s there was so much music going on, bands were suddenly very inexpensive to go and see, and I was new to it all and not terribly discerning. I was also experiencing alcohol for the first time, so I hope that I can be forgiven if my memories are a little shaky.

There is a particularly embarrassing story about my reaction the first time that I saw XTC Embarassed. Perhaps I shouldn't relate it, because I don't want you to hate me.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!

Now I need to hear it (how could you not relate it after that).

(Braintree College? What a wonderful name)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, but promise not to hate me.

I fell asleep.

I was entirely unused to alcohol (I think that I'm right in saying that the first time I had been drunk was only a week or so before - at an Adverts gig), I was young, I had school the next day. I leaned up against a pillar, and fell asleep. I woke up when I hit the ground, but I remember nothing of the concert.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's actually pretty funny. Not hitting the ground mind you, but the thought of sleeping at an XTC concert circa 77-78. They weren't exactly quiet and mellow. That's all alcohol and nothing more. The first time I ever drank was at age 14 with friends before a Ramones show at a local - I never saw the show and passed out in my friends' sisters' car. I never got to see the Ramones in any case.

At least you got to see XTC after this.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forget, has the I'd Like That line
"I wouldn't Hector if you'd be Helen of Troy"
ever been discussed/ explained?

An English Prof friend of mine was noting that it doesn't make much sense. Hector was never a romantic interest of Helen of Troy, he probably didn't like her in the least, silly woman caused a war that destroys him and his city.

I understand the appeal of the alliteration and double meaning but the bragging/bullying definition of "hector" is obscure and clumsy.

My friend suggested it might have made as much/more sense to say
"I wouldn't perish[Paris] if you'd be Helen of Troy"


...not that it makes much difference, it's still my favorite song on the album.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having had an 18 month abstinence from listening to XTC I've suddenly got back in with something of a vengence. This morning during my long, tube-strike necessitated walk to work, I managed most of Mummer. I've also listened to D&W, Skylarking, 25 O'Clock and Wasp Star a fair bit (as well as a sprinkling of Warbles).

The two stand-outs for me are Oranges & Lemons and, top of the class, Apple Venus. It's a very grown up record. I love the contrast between Colin's matter of fact bouncy songs and Andy's angst. Easter Theatre is obviously a class act but, as spidey mentioned earlier in the thread, the album is a complete body of work. and not a duff track in sight - the only XTC album to achieve that IMHO. (Actually there are very few albums by any artist that don't have some filler. Even OK Computer - my favourite album by far - drags a bit through Climbing Up The Walls and Electioneering).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lost Jockey wrote:
Having had an 18 month abstinence from listening to XTC I've suddenly got back in with something of a vengence. This morning during my long, tube-strike necessitated walk to work, I managed most of Mummer. I've also listened to D&W, Skylarking, 25 O'Clock and Wasp Star a fair bit (as well as a sprinkling of Warbles).

The two stand-outs for me are Oranges & Lemons and, top of the class, Apple Venus. It's a very grown up record. I love the contrast between Colin's matter of fact bouncy songs and Andy's angst. Easter Theatre is obviously a class act but, as spidey mentioned earlier in the thread, the album is a complete body of work. and not a duff track in sight - the only XTC album to achieve that IMHO. (Actually there are very few albums by any artist that don't have some filler. Even OK Computer - my favourite album by far - drags a bit through Climbing Up The Walls and Electioneering).


I agree with that, mate - Only 25 O'Clock is perfect in the xtc catalogue, IMO.

I also agree about OK Computer, although I think 'Climbing The Walls' is an absolute standout! Even 'Fitter-Happier' has an atmospheric brilliance, but 'Electioneering'? Meh - although, I do like the lyrical sentiment.

The highs on AV1 are about as high as anyone is ever likely to get, IMO. Smile

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